
I can tell exactly what kind of marathon runner you are in 30 seconds. Not from your time… but more from the way you talk about the race.
I’m stuck between two levels. Earlier this year, I chased volume like an idiot, ignored a hamstring issue for weeks, and watched months of dedicated marathon training vanish to dust at mile 18.
WHAT YOU’LL LEARN
In this episode I’ll be going over:
- The 5 levels every marathon runner goes through.
- The exact moment you move from one level to the next and why most transitions are a trap.
- Why 80 percent of runners get stuck at level 2 and never leave.
- The dark truth: most runners should never try to reach level 4 or 5.

“You built a habit of running marathons badly.”
Just so you know… Your finish time doesn’t tell you your level.
I’ve seen 4-hour marathoners at level 4 and 2 hour 45 min runners stuck at level 1.
Here’s how to identify your level—and which ones will actually ruin running and life.
LEVEL 1: THE BUCKET-LISTER

Level 1: The Bucket-Lister.
This person treats a marathon like climbing Everest. They announce their training on social media like they’re deploying to war.
“Beginning this journey.” My brother… you’re jogging in circles, not storming Normandy.
This person buys the 26.2 sticker before race day. That’s like getting a college degree tattoo before passing a single exam.
Then they finish in 5 hours 47 minutes with a walk run (not time shamming at all) and post 47 photos with caption “I did something today most people will never do.” Yeah, and 50,000 other people in that same city did it the exact same day, bruh.
The transition moment from Level 1 to Level 2:
It happens the moment they cross the finish line. Instead of saying “never again,” they say “I wonder if I could go faster next time.”
That’s the addiction talking. That’s when you stop being a bucket-lister and become a repeater.
How to avoid the trap – if you want to…
If this is your first marathon—just finish and walk away… that’s it.
That’s too easy. If you clicked on this video you’re probably going to finish your first marathon and ask “what’s next?”—here’s what you need to know before you move forward.
LEVEL 2: THE REPEATER

Speaking of Level 2… enter… The Repeater.
This is where 80 percent of marathon runners live forever.
They’ve done 3 to 5 marathons. They think they “know” marathons now. They don’t. I’ve done 4 and I still can’t get it right.
They’re just repeating the same mistakes with slightly better gear while getting more grey hairs.
They still hit the wall at mile 20 which is either cramps, bonking or some random injury from 6 weeks ago decided to poke its ugly hesd out and sabotage your race.
They still don’t negative split. They blame the course. “It was long.” No it wasn’t, your Garmin is wrong. They blame the hills or the weather. “It killed me.” It was 51 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees Celsius) and cloudy.
Sounds like perfect conditions to me.
Psychology researchers found that when you repeat a behavior in the same way, it becomes automatic in about 66 days on average. Your brain literally builds a pathway for the habit.
This is the biproduct of consistency… a section from my upcoming book the 1% better runner. More on that soon.
But here’s the problem—that habit plateaus. It stops getting better. So you keep running the same way, hitting the same wall, and making the same excuses, because your brain has learned this pattern and it’s not changing.
66 days was the average. But in reality The study really showed people can take anywhere from 18 to 254 days to form that habit, but once it forms, it just…stays there.
It’s a great thing because it’s now part of your identity. But it’s just there… Flat. That’s level 2. You’ve built a habit of running marathons… badly, and now you’re stuck in it.
The transition moment from Level 2 to Level 3:
It happens when they stop Googling “how to run a marathon” and start Googling “lactate threshold training.”
The moment they buy an actual training plan—not just “run more” based on feel —they have crossed into level 3. This usually happens after a really bad race where they finally admit they don’t know what they’re doing.
How to avoid the trap:
If you’re happy here, stay here—don’t let anyone tell you that you need to ‘get serious.
LEVEL 3: THE STUDENT

Onto level 3: The Student.
This is where I live most of the time. And to be honest—it’s exhausting.
These people have read Jack Daniels’ running book… And Phil maffetone’s book… they have an honory masters in chat GPT, and a doctorate in YouTube and podcasts.
They know what lactate threshold actually means and the formula for vo2 max. They’ve stopped asking “what pace should I run?” and started asking “what’s my weakness?”
They also become unbearable.
I’m the guy explaining VO2 max to someone at my son’s 6-year-old’s birthday party that asked how far I runn. If you see yourself doing this, congrats—you’re insufferable now.
Their Strava titles are ridiculous. “8x1k at LT with 90 second float recovery (nailed it).” Cool diary entry, bro.
This is all me.
The transition moment from Level 3 to Level 4:
This one’s dangerous.
It happens when you stop running for fun and start running for a specific goal. A Boston Qualifier. A sub-3 hour marathon . A random arbitrary round time number that starts taking over your entire life.
For me, it was earlier this year. I wanted to be “super fit.” I added double runs and. Medium-long runs into my week. I was logging huge volume (touching 127km/ 76 mile weeks) and feeling like a hero.
Then my hamstring started spasing on me 5 weeks out from my marathon.
I ignored it thinking it’s a one off. i thought I was being hard but really I was being stupid.
Race day, kilometre 30/mile 18, it came back. Months of training—hours stolen from my life, from my family—and I watched it all fall apart because I couldn’t just train smart. I had to prove something to myself and strava.
A bit dramatic?! Maybe but that’s the level 3 to level 4 transition. You stop being a student and start becoming a psycho.
How to avoid the trap:
Stay curious but not obsessed—if you’re ignoring injuries or missing family and friends time for marginal gains, you’ve already crossed into Level 4.
“They treat the marathon distance like everyone else’s morning jog.”
LEVEL 4: THE QUALIFIER

Level 4: The Qualifier.
This person has lost their damn mind but we all know one runner that is like this.
Their entire identity is wrapped up in a that sub 3-hour barrier or a Boston qualification or if they got the funds cuz they aren’t that fast.. an abbots world 7 star major finisher medal.
Every training run is backwards-planned from race pace. They’ve done the quick maths.
6:52 pace for 26.2 miles. They know exactly how many seconds they can lose at each aid station and have watched or listened to my episode on the NASA proven hack of how to not pee during a race.
Here’s the crazy part: they’ll DNF (did not finish) at mile 15 if they’re off goal pace. Not injured. Not sick. Just off the pace to run their best time.
Imagine traveling 6 hours, paying $150 or more entry fee, training for 26 or more weeks, and quitting at mile 15 because you’re 90 seconds behind schedule. That’s not dedication—that’s a borderline mental breakdown.
Sir or Ma’am, this is a road race, not the Olympics. You have a mortgage and a job.
I flirted with this level earlier this year and it nearly broke me. The double runs at 5am and 5pm shoved into an already busy schedule. The medium-long runs that I swore was only 90 mins but really 2.5 hours. The long run hangovers that would linger into 48 hours later and leave me fried and unable to function normally.
I thought I was being disciplined. I was being destructive.
The transition moment from Level 4 to Level 5:
I don’t know. I refuse to go really go there.
But… I think it happens after you’ve destroyed yourself chasing times so many frequently that you just…stop caring. You either burn out completely or you go beyond and become a person who runs marathons like they’re morning jogs. Spoiler that’s how you know you’re level 5.
How to avoid the trap:
If your happiness depends on hitting a specific time, you’ve tied your self-worth to something you can’t control—weather, injury, or one nagging hamstring.
Have you ever wondered what happens when someone’s soul leaves their body but their legs just…keep running marathons anyway?
LEVEL 5: THE ZEN PYSCHOPATH

You have just hit level 5: The absolute pyscho.
This person scares me.
They’ve run 73 marathons. They don’t train anymore—they just show up. Their shoes are usually some basic Nikes that they had for 7 years and rumors are they might be held together by duct tape in the inside.
Oh… and They haven’t tapered since 2004.
They finish a marathon in 3 hours 12 minutes and immediately ask where the next race is. No ice bath. No celebration. Just “what’s next?”
They give advice like “just don’t think about it.” Which is as helpful as telling someone to “just relax” during a panic attack.
They treat the marathon distance like an everyone else’s morning jog.
They’re either god-like monks who’ve overcome that weak human suffering thing , or they’re running from their problems… Literally. Get this person therapy or a slower hobby ASAP!
I will never touch this level. Those people are broken or enlightened and I can’t tell which. Either way, I’m staying in my anxious level 3/4 space where I belong.
How to avoid the trap:
If you’re here…I don’t think you want to leave. You’re either at peace or you’re too far gone. Either way, all the best.
What Level Should You Really Be On?
I’ll keep it 100 with you…
The question isn’t “what level should I be?”—it’s “what level makes me actually enjoy this sport?”
I go between level 3 and 4 right now. Some days I’m the curious student. Other days I’m the obsessive psycho adding double runs I don’t need.
The best runners I know? They stay at level 3. They’re smart enough to improve but sane enough not to destroy themselves chasing times.
So if you’re at level 2, enjoying your races, not stressing about every second—stay there. You’ve already won.
And huge important part – I only do one marathon a year… ish. Because it’s a slippery slope to all the higher levels once you start doing 2, 3, 4 and more per year.
But the longer I stay in this running game the more I’m starting to think the half marathon is the perfect distance. All the glory, half the psychosis. But that’s an episode for another day.
Links & Learnings
- 📈 Get your free run far and long easier base training plan https://dlakecreates.com/basefree
- 🎧 Listen, read and learn more here https://dlakecreates.com/marathonlevels
- Learn how to hydrate for races like NASA astronauts – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT-VM4xCUw4
- Learn why and how I ran a half marathon 1% better for 10 years so you can do it too – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JeFQqdK14c
- Instagram – https://instagram.com/dlakecreates
- Strava – https://www.strava.com/athletes/120507


