How To Run Your Best Marathon | Marathon Marcus, A Runner’s Life Podcast Host

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If you want to learn how to run your best marathon, you should listen to this episode.

Sometimes running your best might not be your fastest. I had a very chill and deep conversation with a runner’s life podcast host, The Marathon Marcus.

Ironically enough, his podcasting skills enabled him to poke some holes at some of my questions and assumptions. I love this and personally learned a lot from it. Speaking of learning…

What You Will Learn

  • Embracing the variables that happen in a race and view them as a better experience
  • Why time goals shouldn’t be everything
  • Deep explanation of his rented fitness analogy
  • How his podcast dispels the myth of what a runner’s life really is
  • Why viewing wherever you are as a potential spectrum (example – if you are injured, just try to be your best as an injured runner. Don’t compare yourself to the fittest and healthy version of yourself. That’s not fair and will lead to disappointment and stress.
  • And Much More

About Marathon Marcus

  • Abbot World marathoner majors 6-star finisher – That’s doing London, Tokyo, Berlin, Chicago, Boston, and New York Marathons
  • He’s taken off over 40% on from his first marathon time of 4:55 down to 2:56
  • On his running podcast, he’s interviewed some big running names like Seth James De Moore, Kelly On the Run, Ben Parkes, Joe Grey, Charlie Dark just to name a few.
  • He co-founded ‘The Black Trial Runners’ which is looking to bring off-road trail awareness to BiPOC runners.
  • And when Marcus isn’t running, he’s a father of 2 kids.
  • His time management must be amazing!
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Episode Quotes

  • “I don’ think you ever get the marathon right. It’s more like, how much do you really want it?
  • “The more I’ve been able to embrace the unpredictability of the marathon, the better the experience it’s become.”
  • “Your healthy. You have two legs. You can run. It’s about gratitude and appreciating where you are.”
  • “Fitness is rented. A lot of people run on credit that they owe. That’s when the landord goes “Where’s my money?”
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Daren Lake: [00:03:30] 

The marathon is a race that so many people have just can not get.  And  the half marathon is way easier. You can do the whole thing and training. I haven’t cracked the marathon. I did a two 59 57 or something. I was just like, I’m going to run a three sub three hour marathon.

Cause I kept doing four  I did four hours 20 minutes when I did an Ironman, I did four hours, five minutes when I try to run it. And then I haven’t properly  don’t disrespect to  any marathoners, especially you.  I hadn’t properly tried to run for a marathon and I had been training for a half marathon and I was like, I think this fitness could spill over to a marathon  so wrong.

And I hit the 30. Two K mark and everything broke. And I somehow was able to maintain the four 16 per K pace to do the two 59. But that was  that was a pain cave. So I, yeah, totally with you. And I respect on that. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:04:39] It’s really interesting to say about the marathon is something we try to get  and I think that’s actually something I’ve had to let go of because. I don’t think you ever get it right. I think you go into it knowing that at some point it’s going to be like, how much you really want it.   There’s no, I’ve not had a perfect race.  Even if you feel like you maybe have  you get to the end and you feel like, oh, I could have gone further, then there’s always that little thing.

You had a gone or maybe I should have pushed more, but sometimes you push too much and you blow up. Or something happens with the weather or something happens externally that you have to  manage it. There’s always  these things  it’s almost like the imperfect thing is actually what I’m almost searching out a bit more as I  get more into it. 

At the beginning. I hated it because you’re just like, you just don’t want the unpredictability, but I think the more I’ve  been able to  embrace the unpredictability of it, the better the experience has become. 

Daren Lake: [00:05:32] Yeah. I’m  I’m obsessed with numbers and constantly leveling up and all that. And it’s  yeah, I guess you can’t get on a track on a perfect day and you can race in some sort of  a laboratory.

And then  you. You just show up that day. You don’t have to worry about rain. You don’t have to worry about anything else and  wind and snow or whatever. 

Yeah. The whole running the best. I like that frame.  That’s really good. I’m glad. I’m glad I picked that around  around the focus of this episode, because I saw that in your bio and I realized like that’s such a good  trying to run your best man, that not trying to run a  two 31, not trying to run  like it’s just, you’re trying to run your best marathon and that’s a very  open-ended way to, to think about it.

I’m a  big fan. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:06:14] I will give some clarity to that as well.  About what, how I say that, but also just not to get stuck with numbers. Like when I did my sub three race, I think there was a field of about 450 runners. I still finished 150 something and I finished  two 56. So that’s, so it goes to show like how competitive it was, because obviously everyone’s style of the races.

So you get all the top runners out there. So on one hand, you can, that consult. If you’re focused on numbers, I want it to win that race.  There’s no way I was going to win that race because we had some really  top people there at that time.  But then going back to that sort of thing about running your best race   I don’t want to seem like wishy-washy in a sense of  I don’t have any focus.

I’m just  I’m playing about, cause it’s not the truth. I still have my time targets. But what I’ve noticed is if you have, if your time targets become your everything, then you become. Almost trapped in it.  If you’re trying to run sub three and you run, you gotta run sub six 50, six, 50 minute miles.

 Then you know, that’s all you’re thinking about your knee. You mean you’re  putting a handbrake on you for even potentially going faster, but then if you can’t reach it, then it’s almost gonna  ruin your running experience. So sometimes it’s just, you  have to step back and just let things happen  as they go.

And what I found with running as well, but just because you think you’re. Can I get something? It doesn’t mean you’re necessarily gonna get it. It doesn’t mean what you’re doing is wrong. Sometimes it just takes a bit longer and that’s okay. And sometimes you just have to  separate that and  get your own way.

Cause you can end up putting a handbrake on where you’re going to go. Cause you can be in like training for a couple of years and you feel things aren’t really progressing. And then third, fourth year  you shoot up, but it’s the first two, three years where it feels like nothing’s happening, that you  have to  be respectful, the process. So you got to respect the numbers, but you can’t always just be like obsessed by the numbers, but then that’s probably different  if you’re any control, when you’re trying to break  two hours for the marathon, then that’s different. He’s got a different perspective, but for me, I’m not trying to go out and win races.

I’m just trying to, I want to. Look back at my run and be like, did I give the marathon my absolute best jet?  I wouldn’t  look back and be like, I left nothing on the table. So    I can, that’s what I want it to know. And  whatever result  comes about  is what happens obviously, but my targets and if I get it fantastic, if I break it fantastic flight.

But if I don’t, I know that I’ve done my best. You know what I mean? I can’t really, I can’t be mad about it. Explain your 

Daren Lake: [00:08:51] rented fitness analogy. I really liked that. And I ended up jumping, like I said, I ended up, I didn’t change it. I ended up  using it and making my own analogy. But I’d love for you to explain this.

Cause you, you said rented fitness and I’ll actually set this up and I’ll read it the Instagram posts, but yeah, feel free to explain it any further if you have more. Cause, cause you said it in the podcast with  Joe. The latest guy, Joe Gray. You said it again. And I was like, all right, I gotta got to hear more about this rent fitness.

Marathon Marcus: [00:09:23] Cool. I’ll give my explanation, but I also want to hear what your sort of  is as well and how you  move it forward as well. Cause I think  we all  learning from each other, so it’d be interesting to  hear your thoughts, but the way that I  say is that because I’m  no, so I’ve recently had a slight niggle where it’s put my training back and I’ve had to set back and really assess where I am in my running.

And I was progressing it before, when I was really kicking off. And then. You come back to this stage now where I can’t run the paces that I want to run, because just as  the niggle, I’ve got the injury on working through  so that personally I was running  seven months ago, that’s a different person at the time.

We  if you don’t need it for a long period of time, you can always get really arrogant and cocky. And you’re thinking  this is me  this is expected. I’m just gonna go and specialist paces. Or if you don’t hit a pace or you’re just too upset about  Second missed here or second missed there.

And you just go into this with expectancy that it’s something you have you control and  getting introduced to it. You don’t own anything    it’s something that you have for a moment. And sometimes we don’t really appreciate how great that gift is when we’re in it, but we definitely appreciate when we don’t have it and not having it at this stage.

And also because I’m  working my way back into injury, I probably could run those paces, but then I don’t want to  put myself back. If that makes sense, you have to really respect to where I am. And I think it’s just a ball about just respecting the process and where you are, and just knowing that each run each day  you’ve got to be grateful for and just don’t take it for granted.

 Like even silly things, like I remember before  it would be running and it’s windy or   people on social media complaining about certain things. You’re just like, Man, like you’re healthy, you’ve got two legs. You could run. You know what I mean? You got two legs, two arms.

You’ve got the resound mind to go out and run, enjoy it. While you focusing on if it’s windy or not, like you can’t control that you don’t focus on that one Pacific run. Think about  how your runs have gone over that month and how they’re going over the week. And then you can  compare it.

So I think it’s really about gratitude and just really appreciating where you are. So I hope that kind of makes sense. Yeah. Just found the Instagram 

Daren Lake: [00:11:48] posts.  It was almost like a poem the way  you read it, but that explanation, I love it because  it’s exactly what you said, gratitude. And it also goes, it’s just like, all this stuff is temporary.

And I think about  I see someone that. Can’t run for whatever genetic reason or  they let themselves go and they actually can’t run. Or they’re just very, extremely old. And it’s  yeah, I w I won’t be able to run  for the rest of my life, or  I’ll  if I run till I die, then I’m going to be dead and I can’t run.

So it’s, I like the temporary 

Marathon Marcus: [00:12:18] approach to it. And let me know what your thoughts are with that as well, because you said you put a spin on it as well. I said  I wrote this and I got this idea of how I’m going to do it. I haven’t put it all together, but it’s going to  be this really short. Podcast type thing.

Daren Lake: [00:12:29] And it’s like these  deep thoughts with Darren. So I was like marathon Marcus said something clever and dope. He said, fitness is rented. We just work a nine to five to pay for where we live. I like that. Let me build on that. The landlord is a race Trey. So I wouldn’t really metaphor on this. The landlord is a race training as money in the bank is health, right?

When you go train or race hard, you owe money, pay up, or you can reinvest that money, your training back into yourself and do longer runs to build your fitness in a smart way. Frame your training as health and fitness transactions. Want to make a deposit or withdrawal at your bank today. So  that’s kinda how I w I went with it.

I went more with how you were talking about the landlord and all that.  I like your angle though. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:13:09] I’ve put that to make it a little bit more entertaining to read. Cause sometimes it can be a bit deeper, beautiful, a bit preachy and Instagram. So  if it was up to like, when you’re running, you want to make sure you put that credit into that account.

 A lot of people are like run credit that they owe.  So you just    are they uterus  and then you’re like, oh, I’m struggling.        You would earn that money to pay for that fitness.    That’s where the landlord comes and goes, where’s my money.

 Because you haven’t done something. So yeah. Yeah. 

Daren Lake: [00:13:40] Yeah. I  always tell people I’m running injuries or like credit card debt.  Most running injuries are chronic. It’s not like you just step on something and break  it’s not like football or basketball where you break your leg.

 Or you break your wrist like acute it’s chronic. It’s something that’s been there. You knew it was there. You ignored it. And you just kept running through it for  weeks and months on end. And then it’s  Pop. And you’re like, oh, Boohoo. And it’s  no, that’s credit card debt. You don’t know until you look at your bank statement  you’ve been spending  spending, and then you’re like, oh my God, how did I spend all that money?

  And me as a young person, I realized that, so you have to really be on top of things. So  that’s another way I could have went, but we can go all these different fun ways. That’s 

Marathon Marcus: [00:14:20] true though. Like for me, like the, one of the reasons why I got injured is because I slacked off my.

Strength conditioning. I  got a bit arrogant thinking. I’m getting faster, I’m getting whatever I started slacking off like, oh  whatever. And you start making excuses and I could see it in my diary and look back at it. So  I know where I went wrong.     You learn from those experiences and when  you think, oh, I don’t really want to do my stuff conditioning, just do it because  all those little things do help make you stronger.

It all counts. 

Daren Lake: [00:14:50] How’s your podcast going, Marcus? 

Marathon Marcus: [00:14:52] Yes. So for me, it’s 

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 How’s your podcasts, 

Marathon Marcus: [00:15:48] Marcus? Yes. So for me, it’s really a way to connect with people, especially during lockdown. And to learn from other runners and really    dispel the myth of what a runner is.  Some people think  they’re not a proper runner or other people think them over runner, then they are, but it’s ridiculous.

And when I speak to people and I go  my opening question is like, what does a runner’s life mean to you?  The answers.   If you just took out. If you didn’t know who the person was, for example, and you had all the dots just together, you’d think it’s so many similarities from elites to non elites.

 People enjoy running  it, it awakens apart who they are. It allows them to be themselves. It’s a sense of adventure. There’s so many things, so many benefits to running. And  for me, it’s, you can look at something in one direction, for example, then someone else comes along and goes, shows you.

 It looks at the same thing, but two degrees difference and  you learn something completely new. So for me, it’s learning these different things and I’m always learning,  and  that’s the fascinating thing. Like for example, I was speaking to Joe Gray and I said to him about potential.

So me going into the question, I was like, oh, potential must be  fixing, cause you’re an elite athlete, blah, blah, blah. He just broke it down. I was like, that’s  potential is. Basically being the upper spectrum of that level, where you are,  whether that’s  age or wherever in the race, on the day or whatever.

And then, like I said, watching  like I could actually apply that to where I am with  my injury at the time.  Sometimes you want to be the upper spectrum of where you are on that day. So these kind of lessons I know in, when I say it now, people are like  that’s not like groundbreaking, but sometimes you need to hear something from other people to  shift you away from  your limited thinking, which is quite cool.

Daren Lake: [00:17:45] How does it make you feel when you interview people like Seth? Was it Ben parks, some of these big elite runners  Joe Gray. Is there? Yeah. Is there  a feeling that’s attached to it to interviewing them or you just sit down and just do it? 

Marathon Marcus: [00:17:59] It’s a good question. So when I. Started out, you are quite nervous because  you’re speaking to these people and you thinking, am I qualified to speak to them about X, Y, and Z?

And I remember I had one interview with a, quite a high profile person and I was so nervous. And I remember I was asking the questions and  I remember like messing up one of the questions then you have to re-ask the question again. And then I remember at the end of the interview, this person basically gave me a critique of  what I did.

And it was really good. It was good feedback, but so sometimes it can be really harsh sometimes you’re like, oh my gosh, this is really hard to take. But the feedback was really useful afterwards. I could edit it the bits out. So when you actually listened to it, if it wasn’t that bad, because I could edit those, some of those bits out or redo them again.

But  when I came away from that interview, I was just like, what am I actually fearing?  This person is just a person.  They’re not any better than me. They’re not any worse than me. And if I get something wrong, you get it wrong. You make a lot, you make a joke about your move on.  No one, like I said, like at the end of the interview, no one died.

I survived. And  I just tried to think like this people just regular people, they’ve got their own challenges. They’re raising kids, they’re raising families. They’re trying to make some money there, tired.  Like whatever it is, everyone’s just a regular person. So I’m just trying to focus on that rather than trying to like.

I  get out of my wife. That makes sense. I’m just fascinated by them, like you said, 

Daren Lake: [00:19:31] and no one died. I always say  anytime that someone works with me, I always say, as, as long as you don’t lose a million dollars and kill anyone just it’s okay to mess up. Like it’s okay. I promise  w we’re going to be all right.

What was the driving reason for starting the podcast? 

Marathon Marcus: [00:19:48] I wish I could give you a really deep, beautiful answer to that, but I simply was, I. No, listen to some other podcasts. I was thinking, wow, it’s not really a lot of people of color in this space doing it. So why can’t it be me? And. I thought  I really loved talking to people about running.

And even though we talk about running, it’s actually a lot of stuff is about life as well. So I’m asking a bigger questions and it’s just an opportunity to speak to people that you may not spoken to and learn from. So it was just more the fact of like, why not me? And w how can I learn from other people?

 And also not just live for other people, but learn about myself.  When you listen to yourself, Especially speaking back, you hate the sound, your voice, but then you get better at it.  You listen to the kind of things that you say, your filler words, the way that you speak to people. And it’s really good, Les as well, because  the thing with podcasts is  you haven’t got the facial reactions, you can’t  see anything.

So there’s a lot of signals that you are. You haven’t got to hand, so you really have to really hone in your listening skills and just be really mindful of just  that person you might be speaking to. They might’ve had an argument with their partner. They might have had a bad trading run. So if they’re  a bit off, like it’s not down to you.

And I think, okay, w what can I do to try and.  Engage with them, not in a cynical way, but just to try and have a good conversation that it’s not just like a typical Q and a type thing. I know that’s  going a little bit off-center from what you said, but essentially to answer your question, it was just more about, I didn’t feel that there’s anyone in the space doing it, not to be, it had to be a   black type thing, but just  A person of color in a space I can normal.

We’re just having normal conversations that people okay, cool. That’s just Marcus talking to whatever joke mean, and then it would become a normal part conversation. And also then the second part of it is because I’m just really curious about. People and just the lessons that they’ve learned from running.

And I know you spoke about Charlie dark as well, and  that’s a really fascinating interview because there’s so many takeaways from him and he’s experienced. And when you turn 50 and  you speak to these people that you respect so highly, and  it’s just amazing to that. They it’s like an, almost like an hour of  Mentoring almost I feel, 

Daren Lake: [00:22:13] but yeah.

So tell me more  w one race, let’s talk about black trail runners, but did you found it that group, correct? Is that 

Marathon Marcus: [00:22:18] how I, yes, I’m one of the co-founders and we came together last year, but I think it just made us feel that these things were important and we really wanted to  use our. Pain and that kind of those feelings in a positive  way.

And sometimes when you look at  black people in spaces, sample growing up, you don’t see many black people skiing or camping or rock climbing in advertising. And if you grew up. Thinking  just white people doing it. You haven’t got that far frame of reference, whereas that’s why sometimes hard for white people to understand of this light bulb frame of references across so many levels for them.

It’s just      you just do it. But if you don’t know, I have that frame of reference. Sometimes that can be a barrier in itself. Not everyone’s got that gap would go to, to do something. If you’ve not seen it, you’ve not got support from the family. We haven’t done it. It’s quite hard to just be, I’m just going to do this off the back with no kind of support.

   Not everyone that can be that sort of Maverick, unfortunately.  And I’m  comfortable with, but essentially a group of us came together. We thought, how can we  amplify  black people were in outdoor spaces and there’s a statistic in the UK that no, it was a very low  very low.

So rating of this, the amount of like black people and people of color that go to nut, you can national parks. So we  picked up on that. And then we looked at the races in terms of ultra races and looking at the statistics of people that. We went to these and took part and a lot of the racist didn’t actually have the data to hand.

So we put  an open letter out saying, can you provide us information? And that’s been a really good thing because  we’ve actually changed some of that conversation and we’re now getting that data and we’re actually seeing it, see how. Little  that is, and we’re not trying to say that  next year we want it to be 50% because that’s going to be impossible in a country like the UK where the  it’s just not, it’s not impossible, but we’d like to see those numbers rising.

We’d like to see people of color feel like that is a place for them, that they can  whether it’s a Charvonne run or being a national park or whatever, just be outside of urban areas because it almost feels like that’s all plays for them. So knocked down has been quite challenging because obviously we’re not being able to go and do as much as we’d like to do, but when the press is doing some cool things, like we set up a charity, we set up a UK, run a club  we’re trying to just amplify the space.

For people to feel comfortable and don’t get me wrong just because it says black child. And it doesn’t mean that if you’re white, that’s not a space for you.  Everyone’s got a role in this conversation. We need our allies. As much as we need our black allies, our brown allies, everyone’s got a role to play in it and people think, oh  what do I, what can I do?

And I think sometimes people will look at and think, oh, it’s got to be some massive gesture, but it doesn’t have to be a massive gesture. It could be, if you’re gonna run a club, you can think, okay, w. Does my club allow people that don’t look like me to be a member of my club.  What barriers are there?

 Can I help someone do something? It doesn’t have to be a massive thing. You just never know, like that small thing that you did for that person could basically be the catalyst for them to  love the sport or go forward or find a resource to  progress. So we’ve all got a role to play in just diversity and just being a good humans to each other.

Daren Lake: [00:25:52] Last question. It’s the question. I always ask everyone. So  you’re a master of some, because  you do a lot of different things and you’re curious about multiple, most things, you wear a lot of hats. You’re not just found out. You have the black trail runners group that you co-founded.  You obviously have runner’s life.

You have your thing. You’re your parent, all these different things  on your way to. Running your best marathon. What is one and only one thing. You need, you would need to do so if you had to pick just one thing, I’m really big about just filtering all the other stuff out.  I know  it’s 20 different things.

It’s 30 different things, but if you had to pick one thing, that’s the one that would move you get the most return on investment.  It’s  like a challenge for people that like to do a lot of things. Like I always have my hand in a lot of different things. So what is one thing you think in any aspect of your life, whether it’s training or work or your podcast, what is one thing you think could really push.

Push the needle for you to help you 

Marathon Marcus: [00:26:55] run your best marathon. That’s a great question. So it’s almost like what is a secret and for me, there is no secret and I could give you the kind of standard rubbish artists.   You need to be consistent and all that kind of stuff, but something I’ve learned in life is like, when you, and fix a position, then life just comes and shows you why that actually might be a position of weakness.

 There isn’t really one thing. And you just have to  go in your journey and kind of embrace it for what it is.

Daren Lake: [00:27:30] Next section furious, fast and furious 

Marathon Marcus: [00:27:36] fantasy. That’d be up in the gym, just working normal facts, 

Daren Lake: [00:27:42] five fast and furious fitness facts. That’s five apps too. I really liked that.  AKA get to know your local Cornerstore master of some, cause  we’re just hanging out at the corner store and you’re like, I want to know more about you.

This is what this podcast segment is for.

Yes. Yeah. Tell me one sentence that sums up your first run. I totally stole that question from you. I love that question. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:28:13] My first one for 10 K, was this like, what the hell am I doing? 

Daren Lake: [00:28:20] That’s good.

What’s one thing you would tell your 20 year old self to stop doing as soon as possible. So if you could go back. And sorry, I don’t know how old you are. I feel like you’re either between 28 and 38. So I’m going to preface it  with that.  So just say your 2018 year old self, just  half, half life ago when it was whenever that was, 

Marathon Marcus: [00:28:46] I’d say just don’t fixate too much on the end result.

All things being perfect or trying to achieve things, just embrace actually failing, because I think at that age, you’re so scared to fail. Just goes, you want to do  when to break ground, but you’re just too scared to  fail, just be comfortable in the actual activity of experimenting.

 Daren Lake: [00:29:16] What does being a black endurance athlete mean in the context of black lives matter and  just BiPAP athletes being visible. So  what is, I know you talk a lot about being a black endurance athletes. So  what does it mean to you? 

Marathon Marcus: [00:29:32] That’s such a deep question. And I think it’s my experience as a black person, it’s going to be different to your experiences as a black person and different someone else’s listening.

So it’s really hard to  quantify what the arts would be. And also if you’re an elite athlete, for example, I’ve spoken to people where, especially that Joe great conversation where he gave an example of he had an opportunity, but he had an equally talented friends who didn’t get some of the same opportunities.

And how that impacted his career. So there’s so many variables and experiences of  being a black person in this space and existing. So I think it really depends on that person. And like I said, my experiences are going to be completely different to other people’s  for example, I’ve done like the sixth one math majors, for example.

But when I did that, I didn’t really see many people that looked like me doing it on reflection. I made some great friends, but I was probably one of the only. I think I was the only black guy there, actually  when I think about when I did it and like the friends I made.    It’s generally, you’re  the other, you’re  one of the only, but then that’s  like the black experience generally.

Isn’t it? Yeah.

Daren Lake: [00:30:45] Music or no music during your runs. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:30:49] Eva. I know I’m going to offend some old school runners, but sometimes I like listening to music. So      chill out music, obviously do not put DMX on if you’re trying to do like an easy pace run things, wouldn’t go well. So it just depends on the mood. I think you’ve got to learn to.

Listen to your body and kind of think of what’s happening because you need that in a race, because if you want a race, you’ve not had time to think about all    these thoughts. And  it’s a new experience. So I think there’s a time and place for both. 

Daren Lake: [00:31:21] I actually listened to mainly drum and bass.

When I run, I know drum and bass is big in UK. I actually have different types of drum and bass that I listened to. So when I want to go fast and hard, it’s usually  more aggressive, dark step  old school diesel boy type stuff.  Jump up and then if I’m chilling out, I’ll listen to like liquid funk, but it’s all the same BPM.

So I’m, or it’s similar to BPMs at least   and I can keep my cadence. So it’s for me to actually just keep my cadence up  in certain places. So yeah, with the vibe and totally tell you on that.

What’s the one biggest race day failure that turned into a blessing. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:32:01] I don’t like the word failure, man. It’s  what I was when I started going back to my 20th self and just say  there is no failure. It’s just learning experiences. Looking back. It’s easy to say that now from the time that I’ve done it.

But I remember when I ran in London first time and I ran four 55 and may, that was a catalog of area. It’s that race? I ran too fast, too soon was dodging and weaving the crowds. And I just blew up spectacularly stand about fueling as well. So I went through the whole race without any kind of gels or anything like that.

And I just hit the wall hard band and I remember. In the late probably twenties. I probably, I remember seeing my wife and just feeling so prophetic and just so sorry for myself and just  what have I done?  I just, I want to quit this. This is too hard. And she gave me a good talking to, and  she’s  you’ve got to finish this race.

You started. Is he going to finish it? So I finished that race in like a pity party for one just  oh man. And it was just such a, it was so tough.  This gets to the end, but at the time, and even after that, it felt like. A fight or dislike. It felt like  I  wasn’t strong enough. Like I just couldn’t, I didn’t have what these other people had.

I don’t remember what made it worse. I remember seeing cars with London, marathon white people wear like fancy dress. And the one guy was like, had  a small fridge in his back refrigerator. A pass was like, he would he’s passing me. I was like, man.  So did I  get a kick in? And it’s  that was the extra kick at us.

Didn’t need. But now looking back at like that. Experience those experiences helped make me the runner that I am today. And I’m grateful for those experiences, but you can only really get that when you look back. 

Daren Lake: [00:33:44] Yeah, the great story. Great story.  I appreciate, I love stories.     I could feel  your anguish  and cause I’ve been there at the end where you’re like, why am I doing this?

 And you had that in the  towards the end of the race, middle of the race  with your partner and  yeah.  I’m glad you pushed through and I’m glad    you dropped two hours on your marathon time, which is just absolutely crazy.  Thank you for that. And  is there anything else.

You want to say  to the listeners, to the world  where can people reach you? 

Marathon Marcus: [00:34:17] Anything people can get in touch with me on Instagram, at thermography Marcus or one word, or they could check me out on my podcast, which is called everyone is life or look at my website, which is called Matthew marcus.com.

 Yeah, those are probably the main ways to get through to me. 

Daren Lake: [00:34:36] Great. I appreciate your time, Marcus. You have a phenomenal rest of your evening and all the best in your training to run your tests. 

Marathon Marcus: [00:34:45] You too, my friend. Thank you.